Super Spec Suspention

[Guest jelleyhead]

Hi getting the car ready to go back on the road for next week just checking everything over and noticed

That the front passenger side wheel is sitting at an angle. I understand that you have toe in toe out but should it be this much I don't recall it being like this before i did the changes to the brackets on the wishbones. The drivers side is almost straight it's just the passenger side, i also noticed that the suspention is sitting at a slight angle too is this normal. Have a look at the pictures i have used a spirit level to show what it's like drivers side and passengers side any help or info will be appreciated.

[Guest jelleyhead]

Hi getting the car ready to go back on the road for next week just checking everything over and noticed

That the front passenger side wheel is sitting at an angle. I understand that you have toe in toe out but should it be this much I don't recall it being like this before i did the changes to the brackets on the wishbones. The drivers side is almost straight it's just the passenger side, i also noticed that the suspention is sitting at a slight angle too is this normal. Have a look at the pictures i have used a spirit level to show what it's like drivers side and passengers side any help or info will be appreciated.

[Longboarder]

The measurement you are taking there is called camber. Can't give meaningful reading without the wheels being on flat level ground and the suspension settled. I shouldn't worry about it. Continue with getting the car ready and measure again when the wheels are on. You are looking for a measurement of about 1 - 2 degrees negative camber (top of the wheel leaning in towards the car.).

Nigel

[alanrichey]

No pictures unfortunately. When you say the passenger wheel is sitting at an angle do you mean horizontally or vertically ?

 

Later: Ignore this, just seen your second post with the pictures.

Edited May 27, 2016 by alanrichey

[Bob Tucker]

"changes to the brackets on the wishbones."

 

What did you change?

 

Also cant open pictures

[Guest jelleyhead]

This is all i have changed from and to see pictures

[Guest 2b cruising]

Something very wrong about the picture of shock absorber mount.

The bolt should be going through the center of the eye.

Check the following.

Are the bushes badly worn.

Is the metal sleeve still in the bush.

Is there far to much stress on the bush due to miss alignment.

 

With weight or load on the bush it should still be reasonably central. As it is, without weight it should be dead center.

[Guest jelleyhead]

They are rubber bushes there is no metal sleeve in them i did try to find new bushes for them but no success.

I have put two washers either side of the bush just to support the bush.

I have also had to wind the suspention down due to the track rod arm hitting on the bottom wishbone.

Before i changed to the new brackets the bushes were squashed on the old brackets.

 

So is there a problem somewere else or am i just over thinking?

 

I will put some pictures on of the suspention so you can see there is a slight angle on them but i think this could be normal

For super specs.

[Guest jelleyhead]

this is the passengers side

[alanrichey]

I've been round to see the car and compare it with mine, and our suspension designs are fundamentally the same. The shocker and coil do lean forward a bit so I think we can put this down to the design of the Superspec chassis, although I agree that the bolt doesn't look central to the eye..

 

The most puzzling thing is the camber on the passenger wheel, which is definitely awry. I could find no logical explanation, particularly as I understand that you actually have to remove the top wishbone ball joint from the pillar (and rotate it) to adjust the camber ? Not something you could do by accident

[Longboarder]

Were the 'top hats' out to give access when the shock mount was changed? Turning these in their housing changes the camber. They might not have been refitted in the original orientation.

 

Nigel

Edited May 29, 2016 by Longboarder

[Guest jelleyhead]

I have decided to put the car back to the way it was original and have already seen a difference.

The suspention is not being pushed over to put it at an angle.

Although it's not in the centre of the bar I would say it's in it's home position.

To me it's looking better plus the wheel is still out but not as much.

 

So is it the new brackets or do i need new suspention to go with the brackets my be a phone call to gbs see what they say

[Guest jelleyhead]

Thanks Alan for coming over yesterday and thanks to everybody for the information.

just some more pictures of it back to the way it originally was

 

Well what have i learnt from this well the car is telling me don't modify me Drive me.

[Guest 2b cruising]

You will get new shocker bushes from Gaz.

Change these first then find someone reasonably close to you that does full steering geometry adjustment.

Preferably by someone that knows this type of car.

From what I have read here, it sounds like you need a full set up.

As Nigel says, the top hats alter both camber and caster. Being out by just a few degrees on one side will make handling a pig on normal roads and speeds. Especially when wet.

Also the locknut on one of the top ball joints looks full screwed in.

That is not how they should be all things being correctly set up.

[Al Milton]

I think I've spotted the error.

It appears you are still using the 'original' Zeemeride shocks, but just changed the lower mounting bracket.

The difference is that the Zeemeride shocks do not have the metal insert in the bush, hence the use of the 'special' bracket (effectively a tube with either end flattened & drilled accordingly.

The new brackets you have fitted are for bushes with the metal insert.

When you mix the 2, (old shocks & new bracket), this could be what is throwing your suspension alignment out.

 

I fitted new Gaz shocks to mine during the build, with a similar lower mounting bracket & have never had alignment issues - I ensured the shock was clear of any chassis obstructions by the use of spacers (washers).

Hopefully this shows in the attached pics:

 

Front Shocks.doc

 

Apart from nut covers, this is how mine was presented for IVA

I have the details of the shocks if you want them for the future