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Can anybody help.... :help:

 

Robin Hood 2B with 2.0 Pinto was working ok, until fault found on wiring to distributor.

Fitted new distributor and car keeps trying to start but backfires and never gets going.

 

Can anybody give any advise or fancies popping around Sunday for tea and cake. (Brum area).

 

TIA Dino & Nikki

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Hi,

 

Sounds like your timing is way out or you may have swapped HT leads by mistake ?

 

If you fitted a new dizzy, the cog may be one tooth out, so what you "think" is the right position - isn't.

Have you got a timing light?

 

You could try rotating the dizzy body a little at a time first one way, then the other and see if that helps.

 

Simon.

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Hi,

 

Sounds like your timing is way out or you may have swapped HT leads by mistake ?

 

If you fitted a new dizzy, the cog may be one tooth out, so what you "think" is the right position - isn't.

Have you got a timing light?

 

You could try rotating the dizzy body a little at a time first one way, then the other and see if that helps.

 

Simon.

 

 

HT leads are in the same order as before (marked them in advance to make sure :) )

Hmmmm. one tooth out,

 

Will the following help:

 

Remove the dizzy again

Set the engine at TDC.

Insert the dizzy making sure the rotor faces number 1.

 

Try engine and adjust tick over by twisting dizzy.(if it starts?)

 

Then use timing light to fine tune.

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If the dizzy is just one tooth out, then you should be able to just rotate the dizzy body left or right until the engine starts.

 

You will need a timing light to set it accurately though.

 

I believe that as the cog is helical cut, you could have easily got it one or two teeth out when re-fitting.

 

Simon.

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Best to see what you're set at currently before removing the dizzy.

 

So set engine to TDC then have a look where the rotor is facing before removing the dizzy and refitting.

 

Too late for this....the old dizzy was removed this morning.

I'm now talking about setting up the new dizzy without knowing what the original was set at. (I wasn't around when it was removed).

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If the dizzy is just one tooth out, then you should be able to just rotate the dizzy body left or right until the engine starts.

 

You will need a timing light to set it accurately though.

 

I believe that as the cog is helical cut, you could have easily got it one or two teeth out when re-fitting.

 

Simon.

 

Doesn't seem to want to play ball when I try rotating it.

It goes from just turning over and over again (and running battery down), to one position where the car tries to fire and backfires.

 

But never actually starts.

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Sounds like you are nearly there, If that is the limit of rotation, you will need to remove and reset the dizzy in order to give you more travel..

 

Is the dizzy the same make and type ?

 

If you have turned the body as far clockwise (say), you will need to lift it out, turn rotor anti-clockwise a few teeth and put it back in, This will give you more adjustment in the clockwise direction.

 

(If you can follow what I mean? :) )

 

Simon.

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Guest Ian & Carole

Back to basics as post # 3 and start over with a fully charged battery.

 

School boy error , removing stuff with out checking 1st.

 

It ran before the change...........it will run again.

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Got it.

 

When you set the engine at TDC - exactly WHICH TDC did you use ?

 

The engine is probably 180 degrees out. Set it to TDC with rotor pointing OPPOSITE to #1. Remove dizzy and re-fit with it pointing correctly to #1 and try again.

 

I have seen this mistake with another pinto where the engine was 180 degrees out and the HT leads were swapped 1-4, 2-3 and it ran ...

 

So make sure that the TDC you use is the right one :)

 

Simon.

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best to mark the dizzy case and fit with the cap off.

 

as you fit it youll see the rotor arm turns due to the gear shape.ideally if you have a timing light when turning the engine over you can see where its firing.

 

its a simple job ,but a few degrees out can make it do funny things instead of starting.

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Woohoo....Thanks for all the help!

 

Battery charged.

Breakfast in belly.

Large coffee to kick off the day.

 

Time to enter the garage and begin distributor surgery.

 

I will be back later with an update either crying or rejoicing....wish us luck.. :clapping:

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on the bosch electronic dizzy the rotor arm (contact facing away from engine) is roughly 90degrees to the crankshaft at tdc. I did mine the other day. Just got it running for MOT and was really sluggish on the drive down so rotated anti-clockwise to give it more advance (i think). Still a little stutter so another little turn anti-clockwise and now she is pulling really well. Don't think i'll bother timing lighting it as it is just feels right.

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It's Alive...! :db:

 

I just needed to find the correct TDC...which was covered in oil. (oh and a little self confidence).

Manually cranked engine around to the TDC and went thru posting 3 in order.

 

Engine fired up first time, no back firing or stuttering.

Just need to fine tune it and enjoy the sun.

 

Thank you everybody for you input and enjoy the rest of the day.

Next time any of you are around Brum, give us a shout and pop in for a cuppa :)

 

Much appreciated Dino & Nikki

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