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Well what a melon scratcher

this has been,the 5 minute job that has taken for ever!

Looking under the car there was no obvious place to insert the lever end of the clutch cable,the photos provided by other members would have endured a quick 5 minute hook up, but oh no!

 

Based upon the fact that the cable was a certain length it appeared that it could only be inserted in one logical hole,but no lever visible?? With the use of a mirror,length of stout wire & a determined neighbour,the lever could be seen inside the target hole,after much fiddling it was engaged on the lever small hole

 

Fitted new 55 quadrant & hooked up clutch cable, excitement was now mounting,the car was minutes away from moving under her own steam!!!! Started up, depressed the clutch pedal,which collapsed to the floor & stayed there .....have I got the pawl spring correct as it seems locked in place with no movement???

 

Not impressed with the clutch lever cable insertion, this was not obvious & would be an even bigger task on your own....anyone else have a set up like this,any easier way of coupling up the cable nipple?

 

At the moment I am missing the good weather driving!!

 

Thanks for listening

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What engine and gearbox setup do you have? On my pinto/type 9 setup it's dead easy and can hook it up just by sticking my head and shoulders under the side without really getting right under the car.

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Pinto type 9 - but feel the bell house casing is a modification as you cannot remove anything to reveal the lever, all moses in the mist & fumbling about!

Will try & get a picture

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Try go get a photo that will help. As above I can lie by the side and reach under to where the cable joins the box on my type 9 as only the other week I fitted a locking bolt in the large part of the levers keyhole to prevent the cable ever coming out.

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If the lever that comes from inside the bellhousing doesnt project outside the bellhousing

could the lever have come off the pivot bolt inside the bellhousing?

Or the pivot bolt has fallen out/broken?

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Could be a possibility,but we are confident that the cable is engaged on the lever & there is no loose movement suggesting something has dropped off

Problem at the moment is that the cable is slack at the quadrant end,I suspect that the pawl spring is not correctly positioned

Had to give it a rest today, otherwise I will shoot myself !

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There should be no problem, doubt or difficulty with the release bearing lever and getting the cable end into it. It realy should look just like the pic agent Z posted. As visible and accessible as a dogs balls. Yes the lever does stick out an inch. If yours doesn't then there is a problem with the lever.

Secondly if your pedal box is assembled correctly the spring you just fitted will take up the clutch cable slack automaticaly. If it's not quite right then you can try lifting the pedal and that should work. If it hopelessly wrong then it won't.

Second pic is the clutch with some bits stripped away. You can see the spring. You can see the toothed pawl (blue) that is lightly sprung and gets lifted out of engagement with the ratchet quadrant (red)by the post (yellow).

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As promised photos attached:

1 - View looking down from under the bonnet

2 - Underneath with cable inserted into aperture

3 - Underneath showing the rear of casing where the clutch lever is located

 

So with the aid of a rigid length of wire (clothes hanger grade!) 25lb fishing line, the cable was attached to the wire & passed through the front aperture & with many attempts fluked it through the large hole on the lever, moved it down onto the lower catchment slot & made sure it was in nice & tight

Placed cable into the quadrant ( quadrant & pawl assembled word for word from manual) the clutch pedal was roped up so as to sit on the rest, all looked & felt right

 

With much anticipation I jumped in the cockpit & pumped the pedal a couple of times, all good, started up & put car into reverse, did not engage following clunking!

Same thing for any other gear :bad:

I had put the original quadrant & pawl back in thinking that the only new component was the large spring & therefore should go back in & work first time, as all was fine until the spring broke, I am considering putting in the new 55mm quadrant/pawl which I purchased as a backup

 

Finally, the clutch lever being concealed by a cover on the bell housing (which is integral & non removal) must be the most stupid design ever, as you would never in a million years replace a cable in 5 minutes roadside!!!

 

Any views/advice much appreciated :help:

Thanks

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Well that is very unusual. You have a bellhousing with facility for fitting the starter motor on left or right side. The starter cover is the lump of ally hiding the release lever.

Are you are sure the cable is now in its proper place at both ends. If the auto-adjuster is working and the cable is the right length then the quadrant will not sit like the one in my picture (which is fully tight). It would sit with the quadrant partially rotated anti-clockwise in the view shown in my pic.

If it sits like my pic then the cable is too long. You cant shorten the cable so you have to lengthen the cable outer. This is done with shims. They can be placed at either end of the cable outer.

Or you can buy a new adjustable cable like the escort one shown below.

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Well that is very unusual. You have a bellhousing with facility for fitting the starter motor on left or right side. The starter cover is the lump of ally hiding the release lever.

Are you are sure the cable is now in its proper place at both ends. If the auto-adjuster is working and the cable is the right length then the quadrant will not sit like the one in my picture (which is fully tight). It would sit with the quadrant partially rotated anti-clockwise in the view shown in my pic.

If it sits like my pic then the cable is too long. You cant shorten the cable so you have to lengthen the cable outer. This is done with shims. They can be placed at either end of the cable outer.

Or you can buy a new adjustable cable like the escort one shown below.

Definitely connected correctly both ends,the information I have with the car is

that the cable is for a Ford Transit,which was fitted as it was a stronger cable!

Do you think the Escort cable will do the trick,I like the look of it being adjustable

Thanks Kevin

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Ps.looked on fleabag & it looks like the cable fitted is for 88/91 transit at 1400mm (according to seller) part number qcc1326 - the escort you have suggested is 750mm almost 50% shorter, is that going to fit ??

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Can't say for sure if it will fit yours. I have one on mine but don't use the sierra pedal box, thus needed the adjustable bit. You don't need the adjustable bit if using the sierra pedal box. Perhaps you would be better off with a sierra cable but try releasing the toothed pawl(blue in my pic). That allows you to rotate forward the quadrant, releasing slack into the cable which allows you to insert some spacer shims to take up the slack. Then try the clutch. You need to confirm that excessive cable length is the problem.

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