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Hello to one and all.

Well I jumped into kit car ownership feet first with my wallet following close behind.

I have just bought a relatively cheap rolling shell 'project' for my 15yr old son and his friends to hopefully create many memories in solving problems , engineering and plenty of banter.

I want to ascertain exactly what model it may be for sourcing parts and registration.

I will post some more pics when I get chance .

I am sure there is a wealth of knowledge and experience readily available within this community.

Questions I would like answering initially.

1 : as per write up ...what model is this exactly and approx age ?

2 : what engine and box would best suite this model ? ...was potentially thinking of a Ford Pinto

3 : Is there a chassis no anywhere on one of these ? does it need one ?

4 : Am I completely insane :crazy: for taking on such a project ?

Many thanks in advance for any information and advice

Paul

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That looks like a Cortina-based S7, so probably late 80's/early 90s?

The common lump to put in them was the Ford Pinto, yes, but in reality you can stick pretty much anything in it. Looks like you've got a Ford (Essex?) V6 in it at the moment - nice!

Chassis number might be on it, depends if the previous owner got that far, but probably not. You apply for one from the DVLA and then get it stamped into the chassis somewhere.

Not insane at all, I think that's a really cool thing to do for your son and his friends...

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Welcome to the club, you will find a lot of experience and knowledge just ask away and dont be shy.

Looks like a good project, assuming its never been on the road yet, do you have V5 registration form?

Nice engine, very nice engine kept it and rebuild or through a Zetec engine into it. If not registered then down load IVA manual so you only fix things once.

The monocoque Shell has a few weak points that need strengthening, beyond my knowledge but someone will be along soon with the information. Best of luck with the build, be prepare to work hard two steps forward and one back all the time.

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Mark makes on important point - that kit was developed and sold way before the modern IVA requirements and regulations. I don't know what parts you've got for it, or what you've been given with it to potentially fit, but I would take a good read of the IVA requirements document so that it's clear in your head what areas you will need to take care around. Exterior and interior protrusions are probably the worst of it. If you were given clamshell-type sweeping arches, for example, these fail to provide sufficient cover of the wheels for the IVA regs so you'll need to move to the cycle arches.

 

I wouldn't assume any part of it was done with the modern regulations in mind, so do your homework and get it right the first time (if the intention is to register it for on the road, of course)... there are some good articles on this site, if you register there's a complete build blog of my car in the Members Only section, with useful notes about the whole process of the build and IVA. Plenty of others too of course, out on the internet and so forth ;)

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Welcome Paul, think I was talking to you on facebook (Stu Thomas). There will be a couple of areas to address for the IVA with that setup, but nothing scary enough that it should put you off, couple of bolt in reinforcements for the steering column, load spreading plates for the seats, and some careful consideration for seat belt mounting and routing.

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Engine is Cologne V6 (dizzy is at the back) so could be anything from 1.8 to 2.8 litre but my best guess would be 2.3 or 2.8. It's quite possible it the running gear could have come from a single donor as the V6 was fitted to some Cortinas.

 

I'd concentrate on trying to get it running and if it sounds ok, sitck with it. They're a bit of a heavy lump but they're torquey and they sound nice so I think fitting a Pinto would be a step backwards.

 

If you got no donor paperwork to support a single donor vehicle you should go the Q plate route for registration as it makes the process (particularly emissions), much easier.

 

Sounds like a nice project and on it should provide a lot of fun (and no doubt a few challenges)

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Guest Moog6

Welcome Paul,

 

I'm a newbie too.

Looks like a great project and a lovely thing for the son!

 

Good luck with the Project!

Regards,

Dave.

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Thank you for comments so far ,

but I do have to clarify something first , the engine shown in the pic did not come with the car or the gearbox.Would have loved it to be there.

Pic was for a bit of clarity regarding model and potential age.This is one of the reasons I was keen(ish) to drop a pinto in , just to keep things really simple for the boys and in keeping with the original ethos.Simple/basic donor car , easy build , lots of fun.

As for registering it ...I was hoping to drop a more age relating plate on it somehow ...hoping there is a way , but if needs must it will have to be 'Q' plated.

My intentions are to completely strip it back to chassis , log all parts that are salvageable , then make a shopping list and start shopping .

As far as parts are concerned , and before it gets stripped right back at this very early stage , all I have is the basic chassis front subframe and suspension , some steering components , indicators (no headlights) , panels , diff , dash(which ideally we are going to replace completely).

Parts knowingly needed ...Fuel tank , engine & box , seats , front wheels arches , headlights , decent set of wheels (Ghia alloys are ok but not our cup of tea) , thats it for starters ,if anyone knows of people relinquishing any these parts I would like to hear from them.

Thanks everyone ...

Paul

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For an age related plate you need to get hold of a a donor car with a V5 which matches the engine number and go for the single donor route. As Sierras or Cortinas are getting thin on the ground and expensive, you might want to consider an MX5 as a donor. Cheap to buy, easy to sell the bits you don't need and if you used the engine, box and steering you'd probably have enough points to get an age related plate.

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If you go for a q plate you will have less trouble with meeting emissions standards.

 

 

Common misconception. Q or not has no impact at IVA time, so the car still needs to meet the emissions standards of the engine age at IVA. Also, all cars through IVA will now have an emissions standard printed on the front of the V5 in the special notes section, including those on a Q plate.

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I was thinking of mot testing stu. My mot tester has never asked to look at my v5 so presumably he would treat any q plate the same. Unless of course it comes up on the screen when he enters details to fill in the paperwork. I don't know, doubtless somebody does. I could ask him, mines due in a week or so.

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