Might Have A Problem

[Guest The Modfather]

Finally fitted the starter motor today but now I cannot turn the engine by the crank pulley.

 

I have the 1.8 silvertop zetec, fitted with a 1.8 escort flywheel, to a type 9 V6 box (with an adaptor plate). I am asuming that the flywheel is jamming on the starter?

I read here http://www.zetec-cat.co.uk/" the following passage which I have followed:

The Gearbox, Flywheel and Clutch

The 1.6 and 1.8 litre Zetec flywheel can also be used and, as stated above, these are around 1kg lighter than the one from the 2.0 litre engine. This will require a standard Mondeo 1.6/1.8 Zetec clutch plate and cover, along with a clutch release bearing from a 1972-1984 Ford Capri 1.6 OHC or 1970-1982 Ford Cortina 1.6 OHC (Quinton Hazell part CCT133)

Starter Motor

If using the Tiger lightened flywheel, or any of the standard Zetec flywheels, you will need the starter motor from any OHC Pinto based Sierra from 1982-1989 or any CVH based Sierra from 1987-1993. This is a Lucas LRS543 or equivalent.

 

Please be aware that this is available in two variants with different diameter motor housings, one around 3½" in diameter and the other around 5" in diameter. The one with the lager diameter motor housing will not fit and will foul on the sump. Therefore, you will need to specify the smaller diameter model.

 

I am using the 3.5" diameter starter so I'm not sure why it is jamming, as according to the above, it should all fit and therefore work. Any ideas before I pull the enging out YET AGAIN!!!!!!

 

Thanks

[Guest Stuartl]

Assume the engine turned fine before starter was fitted?

 

I know Ford Starters vary in the amount of teeth as I had this problem with my Sylva Striker. I would check it is definately the correct starter

[Guest doddy]

have you taken the starter off and tryed to turn it over to check also check i think if you use the pinto starter you have to space it out a bit

i thoght it was a sierra dohc starter you can bolt on with no mods

[Guest The Modfather]

Assume the engine turned fine before starter was fitted?

 

I know Ford Starters vary in the amount of teeth as I had this problem with my Sylva Striker. I would check it is definately the correct starter

 

Yeah it turned fine before the starter went in.

 

have you taken the starter off and tryed to turn it over to check also check i think if you use the pinto starter you have to space it out a bit

i thoght it was a sierra dohc starter you can bolt on with no mods

 

I Think I will have to take it out and measure the depth of the dog against the ring gear and see where they match up. The starter is from my old 2.0 pinto that the zetec is replacing. I read that the CVH starter can also fit (according to the above) but is there any difference does anybody know???

 

Thanks guys

[Guest doddy]

my starer motor was LRS707 and i also have a 1.8 flywheel on but on a 2.0 blacktop engine

 

i think it was 7mm spacer for the pinto starter but not 100% sure

[Guest The Modfather]

my starer motor was LRS707 and i also have a 1.8 flywheel on but on a 2.0 blacktop engine

 

i think it was 7mm spacer for the pinto starter but not 100% sure

 

Is the LRS707 the pinto one then?

[Guest doddy]

no i think cvh

[Longboarder]

Stuff in green checks out.

Your combination should be OK if 1800 clutch and pressure-plate and CCT133 release bearing. What spacer did you use for the bellhousing? One like the pic below from Snapperpaul?

Definitely not the pinto starter with the zetec 1800 flywheel. Usually LRS 707 quoted for this combo. (The S is for small body!)

As above. Remove starter and try to turn engine on crank nut. If it turns with the starter out it's the wrong starter.

 

Nigel

[Guest The Modfather]

Hi Nigel.

 

That is the bellhousing spacer, although I got it with the V6 box from Dave R, so not sure if it's one of Pauls?????

 

I have the Escort 1.8 flywheel and clutch assembly, and the OHC release bearing. It all goes together fine, but I believed what I had read and stayed with the OHC starter. I'll see if it needs spacing, but will have to change it if it is a meshing problem.

 

Anyone got a CVH starter?

[fry61]

Anyone got a starter? Yep; you're wecome to borrow mine (1800 CVH) to prove fit & running is O.K. but must have back;'cause they stopped fitting starting handles before you were born.

[Guest The Modfather]

Anyone got a starter? Yep; you're wecome to borrow mine (1800 CVH) to prove fit & running is O.K. but must have back;'cause they stopped fitting starting handles before you were born.

Hi Bob.

 

I've been searching on the www and have read I think it was on the locost site, that a DOHC one also fits, apparently???. I have spoken to Graham B who lives nearby and he still has his one from his old DOHC engine, so I might borrow that.

Failing that I have a knackers yard a few miles from home and I will pop in there and see what they have.

 

Does it have to be a sierra CVH, or do any of the CVH ones fit?

[Guest The Modfather]

I have found this on Ebay. Not sure if it the right one, but it states that it is for a 1.8 CVH sierra, as well as the DOHC 2.0, which coincides with what I read elsewhere that the DOHC one also fits.

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/S845-Granada-Scorpio-2-0-Sierra-1-6-DOHC-88-91-Starter-/370364389384?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item563b701808

 

But it doesn't match the Lucas LRS00707 number????

[Guest The Modfather]

Just read this on www.zetecinside.com

 

Starter motors are pretty straightforward as one from a Ford CVH engine (Lucas part number LRS707) will bolt straight on. You can also use one from a Pinto engine, although it will need a 14mm spacer between it and the engine to give the correct pinion throw.

[Longboarder]

LRS543 goes with some flywheels but not zetec 1800. Should be LRS707 which is 1.8CVH sierra or 2.0DOHC sierra. I've never heard of the DOHC sierra one being wrong although there was someone having problems with the CVH one.

 

Bit concerned you say the release bearing is OHC. If you mean pinto (CCT132) then it's too short to work properly or for long or maybe even at all with zetec 1800 clutch. Use capri/cortina CCT133 with this clutch and type 9 box. I'm using 1800 flywheel redrilled for pinto organic uprated clutch which is physically taller than the zetec clutch so I do use the CCT132.

 

I know some posters say they are OK with component X or Y when most say you have to go with Z. Perils of the internet. I think somehow their installations are not what they think or differ from the usual or the parts are wrongly identified. And then you buy a LRS543 starter which doesn't fit and function on yours. Then you find out they are using the lightened Dunnel flywheel or something and that's why theirs works and yours doesn't. No way to guard against this.

 

The photo I posted of the spacer was from snapperpaul. The spacers are from Caterham I believe originally although others may be making them now.

 

Nigel

[Longboarder]

You can also use one from a Pinto engine,

Although it will need to be a narrow body one which most pinto starters are not.

I don't know if the ebay starter you link to will fit. I'm doubtful as the numbers wrong.

 

Nigel