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Potential Group Buy - Ohc/dohc Engines+parts?


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Hey peeps,

 

Something popped into my head in another thread and I thought I'd gauge some interest. Potentially, my good friend and neighbour (who is a Director at ATC Drivetrain) could sort out engines or engine components to club members if there was enough interest.

 

ATC remanufacture engines for all sorts of vehicles and car manufacturers, including Jaguar and Ford. One of their popular engines - Ford 4-potters :) in Pinto OHC and (I believe, I4) DOHC form. Chatting with him, I put the idea forward and he's open to discussion.

 

Basically they have EFi DOHC 2 litre units 100% brand new - not rebored/remanufactured, but *new*. Not sure what mix of 8v/16v and 2.0 or 2.3 is available yet. They have carb-type DOHC units but their stockpile of camshafts is exhausted so that is the only component in the engine that couldn't be new but would have to be supplied (exchange, or aftermarket cam for example). They can also do SOHC but these would be more your traditional remanufactured items - new pistons, bearings, gaskets, etc but rebored blocks, reground cranks and so on.

 

Lumps come in long block assembly - so no ancillaries, manifolds, flywheel, etc. and are rig tested for oil pressure and compression. Hot tests on full dynos are doable at additional cost.

 

On top of this, they can also provide just the components of the engine if that is preffered - and they have a long stock list that he sent me which I won't bother recreating here - bearings, piston assemblies (various sizes/compression specs), gaskets, thrust washers, every nut and bolt under the sun, dowel caps, dipstick tubes, sump baffles, piston rings, spark plugs, valve collets, valves, rocker arms, main bearings, reprofiled followers, springs (I'm assuming valve), DOHC cylinder heads, and so on.

 

Before I expend too much effort on anyone's part, would there be much interest?

 

I can appreciate the first question will be how much - if I get a per-unit price for a SOHC 2 litre, DOHC carb 2 litre and DOHC EFi 2 litre that might offer some indication... if there's components you're interested in, put it up on here and I'll collate and get quotes.

 

Cheers,

Dan

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I have a keen interest in Pinto parts as do 2 fellow members in the Essex branch.

I am getting all the parts for my new 2.1 Pinto with Cosworth rods and V6 pistons, i have most of the ancillaries and gaskets but will require a complete bearing set, Big ends, Mains, Cam, Auxilary, thrust washers and possibly more.

 

Also there was some talk amongst 3 of us about having a spare engine so if one of us had trouble we could fit the spare while we rebuild the broken one.

 

Yes we would be interested

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Okeydokey - what I'll do is let this thread run it's course for a few days, collate all the interest and just send him a request for one quote... sounds good!

 

I am currently cleaning up an efi pinto that is in bits for re-building so would be interested in costs around pistons (92.5 / 93mm) bearings, etc maybe even an exchange short lump (2.1).

 

Cheers

Tony.R

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Can you clarify which engine you are talking about?

 

The Pinto is a SOHC engine.

 

The same block casting was used for some of the Cosworth YB engines and this is the only form that could possibly be considered a DOHC Pinto but very few parts are common. There is a cylinder head conversion about which does make a twin-cam Pinto but you are looking at close to £5K for the head and they are made to order so I doubt this is what we are talking about.

 

Which leaves the DOHC engine that was fitted to the Sierra and Granadas in the '90s. That's a VERY different animal to a Pinto. It's designation is I4 and it's more commonly seen in transverse form. Originally in the MkV Escort RS2000 and more recently in the Galaxy where it's gained 16 valves and comes as a 2.0 or 2.3. It's also fitted to Scorpio Ultimas in both 2.0 and 2.3 versions and yes they are still longditudinally mounted but it's the same lump.

 

I could be interested in a YB engine or parts of one or possibly in a 2.3 I4 short engine for the 200 but it's going to be down to the prices. Would we all need to be buying the same thing to get decent prices as a bulk purchase?

 

Iain

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No, it won't be the Cosworth YB (although Mike did suggest they have a few RS blocks kicking about). Sorry, by Pinto I mean the SOHC lump we all know and love. For DOHC, I read this as the engines as fitted to the Sierras/Granadas, the I4 as you mention. I will clarify with Mike and get back to you.

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Would we all need to be buying the same thing to get decent prices as a bulk purchase?

 

Don't need to be the same thing, no, but by putting it together as one 'order' it will simplify things at his end - if there's a lot of a single item then he can potentially do a better price on it, but it depends what it is. He's obviously not going to tell me what his margins are, but the more we order the better a deal he can do - but the key thing is no, it doesn't have to be all of the same item.

 

Items are up in Grantham but can be brought down to me (Birmingham) and distributed from here/collected/etc. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

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Ok, I have some clarification here.

 

So the SOHC variant is pretty obviously the Pinto as we know it. These they can do remanufactured, as stated above.

 

For DOHC we are indeed talking the I4 derivative. They have lots of new stock of these, so you can have a DOHC 8v or 16v *new*, and that includes the 2.3 derivative. The only exception is the RS2000 engine, of which there are no heads left and in shortage, so that's basically a short-block only. Or provide your own head, of course. All the DOHC options are available re-manufactured of course, but Mike suspects there will be little interest in this given you can just have a new one... but each to their own.

 

He's getting someone to work on prices of 3 engine options just to give you a teaser of prices and some indication. I've said quote a 2.0 8v SOHC, a 2.0 16v DOHC and a 2.3 short block for you, Iain. All other stuff like parts/etc we'll wait until next week before hitting him with.

 

Apologies for any confusion, I didn't realise the I4 bottom end wasn't the same as a 8v Pinto block, my bad.

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I'll send the summary tomorrow for what we're after and get some prices; in summary, it seems to be (and there's no need to firmly commit at this stage, don't worry) :-

 

Complete bearing set (big ends, Mains, Cam, Auxilary) + thrust washers

SOHC Injected 2.0 OHC (reman prices)

92.5/93mm EFi Pinto pistons

2.1 Exchange short lump (if they can do one; not standard, so may be not, but I'll ask)

Low compression Pinto short block (would this be a transit derivative?)

DOHC 2.0, carb engine - reman and new

2.3 I4 short engine

 

Any more for any more ;) ?!

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I'll send the summary tomorrow for what we're after and get some prices; in summary, it seems to be (and there's no need to firmly commit at this stage, don't worry) :-

 

Complete bearing set (big ends, Mains, Cam, Auxilary) + thrust washers

SOHC Injected 2.0 OHC (reman prices)

92.5/93mm EFi Pinto pistons

2.1 Exchange short lump (if they can do one; not standard, so may be not, but I'll ask)

Low compression Pinto short block (would this be a transit derivative?)

DOHC 2.0, carb engine - reman and new

2.3 I4 short engine

 

Any more for any more ;) ?!

 

Hi, my first post here so be gentle ;)

 

I would definitely be interested in a 2.0 sohc pinto (carb)

 

thanks

 

Nick

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