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I recently picked up this Superspec and hadn't noticed until I met up with @AndyW but it didn't have a front numberplate.

I presume the last owner preferred the look without a plate and risked the fine. I didn't want to take the same risk.

So I purchased a set of 200mm brackets and these extendable numberplate holders.

I had initially planned to use super strong magnets to attach them to the chassis near the front but I realised it's made of non-magnetic material so instead I used the 5mm bolts that attach the nose cone to the chassis to hold these brackets. I used some double sided tape to stick a thin layer of sponge to the top of the bracket to ensure it doesn't scratch the nose cone. 

I have yet to see how it holds when driving.

The benefit of this is I can easily pull the numberplate out of the spring holders if I am at a show or on a track day. You'll still see the brackets but it will look somewhat better (imo) with the plate removed and aid airflow on track.

Happy to hear thoughts or concerns. 

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Hi John, I had replied to your message, glad you have found Andy though. 
Technically the stick on ones are usually illegal as they are supposed to be vertical, I knew someone who was done by a ‘keen’ law enforcer but it must be very rare.

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10 hours ago, Peter Bell said:

Technically the stick on ones are usually illegal as they are supposed to be vertical, I knew someone who was done by a ‘keen’ law enforcer but it must be very rare.

This is interesting, have not heard that before. The car passed MOT 3 weeks ago with the stick on plate in the front…

If the car has a valid MOT with the stick on plate, can law enforcement override that at will?

 

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10 hours ago, Peter Bell said:

Hi John, I had replied to your message, glad you have found Andy though. 
Technically the stick on ones are usually illegal as they are supposed to be vertical, I knew someone who was done by a ‘keen’ law enforcer but it must be very rare.

Not strictly true, the rule actually says as vertical as practical, it's somewhat open to interpretation, I would be interested to know exactly what they were 'done for', the only thing you can be 'done for' is technically no manufacturer produces a stick on backplate which meets the current reflectiveness required, but this has always been the case.

15 minutes ago, ThanasisPolitis said:

This is interesting, have not heard that before. The car passed MOT 3 weeks ago with the stick on plate in the front…

If the car has a valid MOT with the stick on plate, can law enforcement override that at will?

 

Your car should have failed it's test unless it was manufactured before 1st Jan 1980, DVLA changed the rules from 1973 a couple of years ago, so only cars manufactured before that date can have black & white plates.

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25 minutes ago, phaeton said:

Your car should have failed it's test unless it was manufactured before 1st Jan 1980, DVLA changed the rules from 1973 a couple of years ago, so only cars manufactured before that date can have black & white plates.

Interesting… the MOT manual states under section 6b

  1. Vehicles having a Q plate registration when presented for MOT are to be treated as follows:
    1. -for emission purposes only, they are to be considered as first used before 1 August 1975
    2. -for all other testing purposes, they are to be considered as being first used on 1 January 1971


https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/introduction

 

based on the above, a black/silver plate is legal for that car.

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3 hours ago, ThanasisPolitis said:

Interesting… the MOT manual states under section 6b

  1. Vehicles having a Q plate registration when presented for MOT are to be treated as follows:
    1. -for emission purposes only, they are to be considered as first used before 1 August 1975
    2. -for all other testing purposes, they are to be considered as being first used on 1 January 1971


https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/introduction

 

based on the above, a black/silver plate is legal for that car.

I stand apologetic, that's not how it was when I was in the industry but that was a long time ago, things move on

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1 hour ago, phaeton said:

I stand apologetic, that's not how it was when I was in the industry but that was a long time ago, things move on

All good buddy, no apology necessary, we are having a casual conversation here and sharing our experiences. 👍🙂

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I have stick on plates back & front of the cobra which I was assured meet all relevant requirements such as reflectivity and details printed on.  I can only go off the supplier's info. for that, but it has passed 2 MOTs with them on.

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14 hours ago, Foz said:

I have stick on plates back & front of the cobra which I was assured meet all relevant requirements such as reflectivity and details printed on.  I can only go off the supplier's info. for that, but it has passed 2 MOTs with them on.

It is one thing matching the spacing, colour yellow/white (age dependant - I don't know whether black and silver could be put on a Q plate car) and reflectivity and another to match vertical (or near as practical). I think that in most cases your will get away with adhesive on the nose cone for instance, BUT if you do something stupid, or the car is not obviously roadworthy or the policeman is having a bad day, it will be something they will decide to 'do' you for.

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This debate is exactly why I went with the standard plate.

I would like to try a smaller one but I think legally this is the 'most correct' given that it's not a Q plate car and it's registered in 2008.

Clearly the rules are interpreted differently by different garages (the last owner managed to get away with no plate at all).

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1 hour ago, Jonty Wild said:

I don't know whether black and silver could be put on a Q plate car

This is a loophole and technically you can as a Q plate car has unknown date of manufacture and MOT considers this car first used in 1971, and thus it meets the “before 1980” requirement for black/silver plates. VOSA has confirmed that on an email exchange too… 

Thank you for your email enquiry concerning number plates. 

As the vehicle is fitted with a Q plate you are correct in saying that the MOT test limits applied will be those of a vehicle first used before the 1st January 1971.

Due to this the old style Black and Silver number plates you are referring to in your email would be acceptable for the purposes of the MOT. 

I hope this information has assisted you with your enquiry, but if you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us again. 

Kind Regards 

Rebecca 
Customer Service Centre 
VOSA Operations Directorate 
Tel: 0300 123 9000
 

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2 hours ago, wazcov said:

This debate is exactly why I went with the standard plate.

I would like to try a smaller one but I think legally this is the 'most correct' given that it's not a Q plate car and it's registered in 2008.

Clearly the rules are interpreted differently by different garages (the last owner managed to get away with no plate at all).

I am sure no front plate is definitely illegal. Unless, maybe, you take 2 wheels off and call it a motorbike!😁

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