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  1. obviously there's umpteen options, one thing is deciding what pedal feel you want.if i recall correctly cyclinders that were made to be married to a servo have larger bore sizes and therefore the pedal travel is shorter but more 'leg effort' is required. again from memory a sierra/mondeo MC has something like 22/24mm bore whereas an escort mk1/2 ( non servo) will be about 17mm. so assuming a like for like set up/trial - a 17mm would give longer pedal travel and teh mc would exert more pressure, whereas the larger will do teh opposite. you can always dial a bit of pressure out of the rears with a compensating valve if needed.
  2. sorry Mark ,i meant that its possible for any idea listed here to have a counter/negative argument. it may be a fact that logistics are tricky - my point as far as the 'idea' was that possibly a marquee at an event is a benefit as members know that they can visit and be dry if they choose, that there'll be space to chill of an evening etc etc....i wouldnt expect a marquee as u mention caterham to have many folks in it during the day anyway.....unless its raining. if allocated space is filled - then i'd have thought a chat wioth the organizxers woudl solve that....anyway, the point of teh thread was ideas. that was one.
  3. there's potentially a negative argument for any idea, if the idea is good enough then a work around and solution can generally be found. the club has 500+ members, however many AO's and whatever form of cooperation with the maker of the kits whos owners it represents.....so i'm sure if it was of interest a viable solution coudl be found.
  4. @ cma - i think you've nailed most of the points that i would have suggested, although i disagree slightly with teh concept of not allowing non members to view for sale adverts for a period of time, in reality that has a negative effect for the member who is trying to sell his goods. If the non member has no way of replying to a for sale advert nor of sending a PM then that potentially is more effective? ((( assuming that it is possible to get more/less immediate membership as soon as the subs are paid)). I have to say that i've never seen the Rhocar Mag so this comment in no way is meant to be derogatroy, but in teh past i have seen the Caterham monthly mag and whilst a nice production it always seemed to me a complete waste of effort and money. I'd suggest as per CMA that there are very few folks who don't have acces/ability to use a pc and any article within a mag coudl form part of a topic area - which may be worth a read to non members: encouraging more outsiders to read/interact on a forum is a way to picking up new members. the general ideas surrounding promoting drive outs etc is also valid, although in my experience getting folks to contribute good roads etc is very hit n miss. we have done teh same on another site in teh past and reality is that very few folks bother to make their suggestions. But a window to suggest/join in with runs is a good one. possibly re-allocating funds otherwise used for a mag to provide proper marquee facilities at an annual event - maybe rhocar has a 'proper' marquee, all i've read about is gazebos.......but a full on marquee so that folks within reason there's no excuse not to attend due to a bit of the wet stuff as everyone can go along knowing they'll be dry and that there's a bbq on the go......
  5. just re-read the above - in case of any misunderstanding, in para 1 - i don't agree with the idea of cash backs etc for members, i was highlighting the difference between that and a club generated discount!
  6. I've watched and read this thread with interest, and no, i'm not a paid up member - but nor do i seek to make any comments that are intended to inflame or upset. Looking at this i'd say that there are a few distinct topics that need to be highlighted and /or separated. The 1st is what benefits the Club ( any club infact ) can make available to members - this needs to be separated from some of the comments about subsidizing xyz. There's a distinct difference between using the purchasing power of an organization to provide discounts to its members versus giving them in effect a 'cash back' for being a member. Many discounts ( i refer not exclusively to Rhocar as i dont know what they are) are generic - available to many via other means and not an exclusive ' members only deal'.........so there's still a worth but less so than exclusivity. The next point is that ( i believe ) that Clubs have to decide what it is that they are trying to achieve. A look for example at the Tiger Owners Club would suggest that they are happy to recoup/cover operating costs by way of member donation.......in effect that keeps the Club ( forum) alive and provides a place where knowledge + technical help can be accessed. Beyond that there is no structure by way of AGM's, Regional AO's etc - each little area does its own ad-hoc thing in terms of arranging meets etc. At the other end of the spectrum the Caterham owners club has its support vehicle/marquee etc which gets rolled out at a few events each year - a very structured AO set up, the usual discounts and beyond that, well not much else aside from its associated forum, which one can now read but not contribute to. Once the aims are clear then its a question of attracting and retaining the 'customer base'......i'd have thought that a conversation with GBS whereby they pay the membership fee for anyone that buys a kit would be a worthwhile avenue to explore? surely they could 'lose' that amount within a kit sale......and one would assume that a new builder is likely to be needing some help/advice along the way. As for maintaining/retaining, this is more tricky - because i see that linked to 3 dynamics: 1/ perceived value: possibly a majority are happier paying to maintain a site/presence rather than so called frills that they don't see benefit from ( magazines/once a year roast etc) 2/ forum activity. a forum with plenty going on ( other than just technical queires) can encourage members to view/participate rather than stagnate. 3/ club activity - area wise. Now this part is always going to be a conundrum, because so many car owners have different agendas: meeting in a pub, in a field, going for a leisurely drive for lunch, a morning blat, track day etc.....and getting enough committment in an area to do 'activities' can be hard work.......actually IS hard work. Thing is its easy to see that without some stimulus in this area Clubs can wither: locally we've seen the JPSC club go from having 12-15 cars at a meet to having 3-4-5, i know a guy who ran the Dax club locally, for the 1st 2 years there was sustained interest, by teh end of year 3 him and his wife were sitting in the pub themselves wondering if anyone else would tuyrn up ! There isn't a magic formula ( unfortunately). Perhaps however a combination of tinkering with the forum to make sure that there's a reason for new owners to resgister (as has been mentioned, stopping pm's, searches etc - without stopping folks reading/posting), perhaps re-evaluating things like the mag or the hog roast ( maybe splurging some of those monies on a marquee that's set up at a cple of shows )......... Anyway: to those that Organise - well done, to those that have ideas for events - get involved and promote/support them......and i hope that the Club continues to live, thrive and serve those that have an interest in 'kits'.
  7. trust Tony to miss some important info - we start at Thurrock ( dartford crossing area) and then we will pick up a few of our pals just shy of Cambridge, from there we head toward Rutland and a bit further up cut west into the Peaks.
  8. i hesitate to post because i haven't checked the facts since i investigated this a cple of years ago. there are a couple of points that are worth double checking. actually stick on plates aren't necessarily illegal DUE to where they're located ( ie/ not vertical as tht is arguable due to vulnerability) ), but due to the fact that they don't have the required markings on them denoting that they are legal ( can't recall what it is but something like a BSC number).... However it used to be the case and i'm pretty sure it still is - that a plate that is deemed illegal could potentially if the BiB decide so carry points and a fine, whereas no plate is a fine and no points. You can negate the overal size of a plate providing you don't mess with prescribed spacing which is something like 11mm to the borders/dges ( again from memory ) therefore a private plate with 2 less digits can be much smaller lengthways.....
  9. Tom, there's a world of difference between driving a tin top and a 'kit' - so worth buidling up slowly or as you say doing a few days. I've driven with a lot of competant drivers of ordinary cars who haven't a clue when it comes to our types or car. To my mind there's a raft of factors to think about aside from whether its possible to get around teh next bend without braking - has the car at the side road seen you, is that bump in the road going to affect the handling or cause a ground out of the sump and a load of others..... as for how much power is right, well thats open to debate - personally i prefer more than less: ok its not possible to use all of it all the time, but given drivers of equal standing a sorted 200brake car will leave a 130bhp car for dead , there's also the factor of having that bit extra to call on if needed to complete an overtake safely. In the winter or wet you'll learn to drive smoothly, in the dry when its really dusty down the backroads you'll learn the same just as you'll be feathering the throttle over humps n bumps. IF you want the biggest bang for your buck i'd suggest.......stay away from tuning any engine excessively, pound for pound its a waste of money. Concentrate on the brakes, suspension, tyres. and then think about a nice light flywheel and when you've picked your engine and have an idea therefore of the power/range then maybe a diff that gives nice acceleration ( which with the flywheel as well means a nice amount of engine braking when slowing for corners).....and a gearbox that has decent ratios to mesh wit the power of the engine and the final drive of the diff. zetec or similar set up well will throw out 170ish which with the bits n pieces above will be a nice drive. just my 2 penneth, and if you're bored with building and want a run out one day as a co-pilot then Tony B or i ( or prob others ) would be happy to take you on an early brekkie run. chrs mark
  10. Stewart, understood and quite right.......and i trust that the respective clubs will continue to thrive.
  11. err that's why i contributed. like i said no axe to grind.
  12. Wow this thread has taken some twists and turns since the initial post. OK so i'm a 'community user' - so here's my 2penneth. I joined the free forum a couple of years back ahead of setting up skcc, at the time i joined a few free forums to try to spread the word about an event which was solely for kits - and which by repeated hammering of the message saw us get a gathering of 70+, but that's by the by. I can see and empathise with some of the viewpoints, although from my limited experience of running a club i'd question a few key points. What is the membership fee for? what is it designed to cover and are those principles still valid from its inception? From the sounds of it the forum costs are neglible, which presumably means that the residue is used for the magazines, public liability and the famous beer/hog roast. As regards to the members fee i'd be wondering whether the club should have a fee or not - if it can generate enough funding through advertising, merchandising etc and forgoing food at events that a small % of members are physically able to take advantage of then that would i imagine answer the 'freeloading' question. If not and a fee is required then surely the next question is how much does it need to be to provide xyz, xyz being the criteria agreed as a 'welfare' package for all members: food at (all??) shows, subsidised track day, magazine etc etc. As regards to folks reading the forums and posting on the forums this is a tricky point. Without folks being able to participate the opportunity to change readers to paying members is negated. Moreover many forums need a flow of contributors to keep the boards ticking over, without that tickover things can become stale rapidly. Sharing of knowledge is contentious, i can't think of many places in teh world of friendship where someone would expect a reward for helping a 'buddy' out? Sure buy someone a beer for a helping hand but i'd be permanently sloshed if i called in a beer for every bit of remote advice i've given to fix a problem. However i totally agree that teh for sale forum should be closed from a selling perspective to non paying guests, but not allowing guests to make contact with a seller unless they are a member seems to me punitive towad the seller who ergo would be a paying member! That's clearly limiting their ability to sell their goods. As an aside i had thought of instigating a small fee for goods sold on our forum ( more voluntary than the LAW), but there again we don't have any membership fees. At the top of this post i mentioned the possible need to review what teh membership fee is for, actually that might be better phrased - what's the forum for, what's the club for and how do we get more members interacting? and no to anyone skim reading, that isnt a dig it's a genuine comment. Like Tony B my interest in our cars is driving, i will very occasionally endure a show / pub meet IF i've been able to do a sensible drive to get there. For my part these forums, clubs etc have simple core values: allow people to 'virtually' meet others with a similar interest allow people to make 'car buddies' - hopefully with a view to using the things. and with a single marque site like RHOCAR to get some technical guidance when all seems lost. As a side bar i find it strange that chit chat falls so low in the page of the site, obviously everyone that owns a kit has a different agenda: builder, polisher, driver etc, but i'd have thought that the 2 key elements would be driving ( Events/Meets/Run Out section ) and Chit Chat ( banter where one would post banter that's not relevant to driving)....anything else would fall below those 2 yardsticks? I know that we tried to get a bit of buy in for that Kimbolton run and it was a pity that it didn't come off, perhaps some of the AO's down in teh South will as Tony suggests try and do a few joint things? I'm a firm believer in the more the merrier - far better to have new faces to banter with over brekkie. and as for that hog roast, why not simply charge everyone ( if the members fees are ever scrubbed ) or more reasonably give members a discount on their 'meal deal'. Again its merely my 2 penneth but it seems strange to offer up some goodies that clearly a tiny% can/do take advantage of, and as it's a 'given' that members can enjoy such tucker what happens if next time there's 400 members banging their bowls. Personally food.beer at 1-2 shows shouldn't reflect anything to do with club members fees. finally ( yes i have finished - nearly)...the above was/is meant in good spirit, i realise that the aims of the club beginning with S are perhaps somewhat different and the 'fan base' is clearly regional - nevertheless my thoughts are well intended. and as for whoever mentioned about a southern club being miffed at having 'online members' from farther afield - not at all, we have guys who have registered from places far away, my regret is that often they realise there is little benefit to them and wander off with few words written......but we still have guys who have joined and who have 'evented with us'....the best example a caterham owner from Leics who joined, jumped in his car 48 hours later and joined us for a day doing WW1 sites in Belgium. here's to a dry weekend and miles of smiles..... mark g
  13. anyone else up for this? From SKCC we have 8 so far ( although that includes Tony/Rob who are mentioned on this list)....i've been in touch with the organizers about getting a pitch which is no problem, aside from the fact that we need to know how big ( ie/ how many cars).... We know that some local areas will have already booked pitches, but if you'd still like to join in with the run around as mentioned in the initial post please do pop your name down and just make a notce alongside that you're already booked into the Show. Many thx Mark 1.Tony B 2.Phill S 3.Steven 4.Graham 5.Tango 6.Rob E
  14. greenwood03

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    I have to say that i'm amazed at the apathy from so many owners and Clubs. I've been visiting Detling for a few years initially as a member of the public just having a wander and looking at a fine selection of cars and in more recent years taking mine along. When it was held in ASpril the weather was at times 'iffy', but even last year on many forums there was talk about who was going, which day, where to meet etc - this year across so many club forums there was hardly any interest - which was apparent come the weekend. The thing is that its a chicken and egg scenario - manufacturers arent going to invest alot of time and money without an audience, and teh audience isnt going to come along if there arent many cars to attract and hold their interest. Given that the forecast was for a sunny day on the Saturday i'm really surprised that we didnt see more owners there, ok its in a corner of teh country as opposed to being central, but givene the road network an hour and a halfs drive there takes in a large area: Kent/East Sussex alot of west sussex/surrey/middlesex/ and thats without thinking about the counties just to the north. From my own perspective i'm not really that interested in teh trade stands, i dont need parts so wandering is a time filler, we were lucky on the SKCC stand that we'd managed to take support vehicles which allowed us to have the luxury of bbq/music etc and with enough cars on teh Stand there was obviously a fair few people to talk to and interact with - which for me is the essence of a show/meet. I hope that folks wont give up on Detling, it needs a slight injection to build it up again and hopefully next year will be better for all concerned. Well done to those that did pop along, i think the industry needs all the support that it can get right now.
  15. actually a top ref would also be Aron at HT Racing back of Brands Hatch, what the guy doesnt know about ford 4 pots and setting them up ......he is very very good. @ the poster who said that Race Power were no longer was that a definbite no longer or a looked like they were no longer? ( Paul does keep strange hours sometimes)......
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