Iva Or Not Ebay Robin Hood S7

[Guest julien]

theres a robin hood on ebay red and stainless steel .based on triumph,s7 model looks like hes using the donor log book and reg to tax,insure,mot and use on the road with out goin through an sva or iva .this must be illegal ???????

[speedtripledan]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Robin-Hood-Super-7-k...=item4a9da8c3a2

[Guest The Modfather]

Yes it is. The fact that he has gone from 4/5 seats down to two, it is a sports car and not a saloon, and the mere fact alone that he has built a complete new car from bits off another car is the whole reason behind SVA/IVA, to ensure that it is safe and meets the standard requirements set out by VOSA to all vehicle manufacturers. If I stopped this vehicle in my capacity as old bill, I would be looking at processing him for displaying a road fund licence from another car (which can amount to deception if still in date), invalid insurance, invalid MOT, and definately having TRAFPOL coming out to go over it looking for dangerous defects. But I would have to have had a really bad day! I'd probably just send his details to DVLA and let them deal with him

[steve in stockport]

Sorry Daz but your not 100% correct on this one, SVA only came into affect in 1998 and prior to this you could take the major components from a donor vehicle and fit them to a kit car chassis/body and continue to drive the kit with the donor vehicle reg number, the log book could say either the make of kit car or the donor. When SVA came along owners of kit cars already on the road, but not correctly registered as the kit make were given the opportunity to get them correctly registered and this was available until not too long ago.

 

So in answer to the original question, what you need to find out is what it is registered as on the log book, Robin Hood kit car and you should be ok, Triumph Dolomite and you are going to have to get it IVA'd or you will have the boys in blue all over you.

[Guest julien]

Sorry Daz but your not 100% correct on this one, SVA only came into affect in 1998 and prior to this you could take the major components from a donor vehicle and fit them to a kit car chassis/body and continue to drive the kit with the donor vehicle reg number, the log book could say either the make of kit car or the donor. When SVA came along owners of kit cars already on the road, but not correctly registered as the kit make were given the opportunity to get them correctly registered and this was available until not too long ago.

 

So in answer to the original question, what you need to find out is what it is registered as on the log book, Robin Hood kit car and you should be ok, Triumph Dolomite and you are going to have to get it IVA'd or you will have the boys in blue all over you.

....the seller sais its a triumph spitfire on the v5.....

[Guest The Modfather]

So in answer to the original question, what you need to find out is what it is registered as on the log book, Robin Hood kit car and you should be ok, Triumph Dolomite and you are going to have to get it IVA'd or you will have the boys in blue all over you.

 

This is what I meant. You cannot have a log book stating "Rolls Royce" just because your Mini has the engine and axles from it. It would still be a Mini.

The car in question is a Robin Hood, and therefore it should be registered as that on the V5. I was stating that regardless of the SVA/IVA rules that applied when this was built, the chasis and style of body is that of a Hood, not a triumph. Therefore your tax is invalid as it is showing the wrong make of vehicle, the MOT is invalid as it is shown as a Triumph, and the insurance would DEFINATELY be invalid. Thus, a nick would not be questioned.

In your own post, the owners of such cars had a window of opportunity to register it correctly, meaning that if not done within the time limit, it would therefore be incorectly registered. Irrespective of what was allowed, now a vehicle has to be correctly shown as what it is, not what it was. There is no difference to fitting a larger engine in your car, or changing the vehicle colour, it needs to be updated on V5, and tax and Insurance updated to clarify this.

This is one vehicle I wouldn't buy purely for it being wrongly registered. DVLA would have to go over it, and the likelyhood is you'll end up with a Q plate, as it states that the engine is Ford and the running gear is Triumph.

[miikae]

In the early days our type of cars where called specials and kept the name of the chassis/engine manufacturer on the log book for tax purposes, as in the early 1960s a friend had a what looked like a XK120, the body was, but the chassis and engine where from a 1935 Fiat 1500cc limo, it also had a swichable Rootes blower fitted with a single SU carb which made it a match for even a true XK120, in those days you had to look at the tax disc to know what the car realy was. Those where the days of wolves in sheeps cloathing as it was the tax disc that revealed all.

 

Mike

[Guest The Modfather]

Miikae, that's as maybe. What I am saying is, you cannot (now) have one type of car and call it something else, as in the case of the car in question. It is NOT legal. That is entirely the point of this thread, "Is this legal?" i.e. to have a Hood and register it as a Triumph. The simple answer is NO. Both vehicles are recognised at the DVLA. You can have a "Special" vehicle which is non descript, like what Ed China builds, i.e. sheds and sofas etc, but that is purely because it is a one off unrecognisable vehicle. If you took the front half of Datsun and stuck it to the rear half of an Escort, what would you register it as? It would have to be inspected and the DVLA will show it has what they think, i.e a special non descript. I'm sure that they are still called special on the tax disc.

Perhaps the likes of Enforcer can back me up on this, not that I need it as I've been doing the job for 15 years now, and know traffic law.

Rant over, I'm going to bed, night night

[Guest julien]

Miikae, that's as maybe. What I am saying is, you cannot (now) have one type of car and call it something else, as in the case of the car in question. It is NOT legal. That is entirely the point of this thread, "Is this legal?" i.e. to have a Hood and register it as a Triumph. The simple answer is NO. Both vehicles are recognised at the DVLA. You can have a "Special" vehicle which is non descript, like what Ed China builds, i.e. sheds and sofas etc, but that is purely because it is a one off unrecognisable vehicle. If you took the front half of Datsun and stuck it to the rear half of an Escort, what would you register it as? It would have to be inspected and the DVLA will show it has what they think, i.e a special non descript. I'm sure that they are still called special on the tax disc.

Perhaps the likes of Enforcer can back me up on this, not that I need it as I've been doing the job for 15 years now, and know traffic law.

Rant over, I'm going to bed, night night

....i suppose the seller/owner of this car could fob the old bill off with saying its a kit conversion based on a triumph chassis and running gear with just a kit car body ,thus retaining the original v5 chassis number ect.highly illegal i know ,but just saying maybe he could get any with it dunno ??

[Guest The Modfather]

It would have to have the Triumph's VIN stamped into the frame of the HOOD for it to pass the average "I haven't got a clue about cars" officer. If they stopped this car and completed a PNC check on the VIN, it would show as a Triumph, which would match the tax, MOT and insurance, However, it would then be ringing, as two cars cannot have the same identity, It is still illegal. No matter what the seller does, or has done, at this moment in time, he is breaking several laws. DON'T BUY IT! is my advice.

I also think Ebay should not allow this type of listing, but can you imagine the amount of time used to go through every listing to check on legality.

[Guest bone]

hope daz393 gets out of bed on the right side today some one might copit hehehe you no its not nice to wind bill up

[Guest The Modfather]

hope daz393 gets out of bed on the right side today some one might copit hehehe you no its not nice to wind bill up

 

Luckily I'm off at the moment, with STRESS! I'm usually a very nice, helpful cop, and only ever had one complaint from Joe Public, not that I should be telling you this

 

I would like to say that I am not having a pop at anyone by my replies, I am simply trying to explain that this sort of thing, by what he has described, is not legal. Please do not take anything personally (anyone) and accept my apology if you have been offended, although I don't really care if you have been offended, I'm just trying to be nice. Now, where's my tablets

[Guest bimboone]

if a chicken is born in a fridge is it a hotpoint no its still a chicken . a triumph with a pinto and looks like a robin hood is still a triumph. who ever buys this its all going to end in tears.

[Guest The Modfather]

Aren't chickens born in incubators?

[Knock-on]

How many chickens are born in Fridges?

 

Mind you, I think it's warmer in my fridge at the moment than outside.

 

So, if Chickens are born in fridges, do Turkeys hatch in Freezers because thats where I found my Christmas one?

 

Think I need a little lay down after all that wondering

 

BTW, Daz is spot on about the Spit-hoodie or whatever it's supposed to be. It's a wrong'un and no mistaking your 'onour. Touch and Bargepole springs to mind.