Stalk Wiring.

[Guest The Modfather]

I removed my stalks from the car in order to fit the new loom, but I'm stuck now wiring them back in. The old loom is so butchered it is impossible to trace the wires as they are regularly joint and set in bondo and other unpassable goo. I cut at least 6" tails so I have the original block and wire colours. We seem to have identified the stalks as possibly Escort van type, no rear wipe, long round stalks with twist lights and round hazard switch.

We worked out the wiper side, and the indicator/hazard wires, but having looked at the Escort manual, all the light wires seem to go to relays. I tried for hours sitting down with a multimeter on continuity to see which wire beeps when certain actions are made, but nothing!

 

Does anyone know the wiring colours, or the best way to use a multimeter to establish what wire does what, as I am stumped?

I will take some pics and upload in a mo.

Cheers guys.

 

Daz

[Guest night hawk]

Hi Daz

 

I have the same problem, worked out the lights but not the washers,

 

Which stalk type do you have? the one with the horn on the end (push), or with a washer on the end (push).

 

john

[Guest The Modfather]

Hi John.

 

I have the ones with both horn and washer push.

 

The wiper wires are as follows: washer is 53c and 31 (on the opposite side which is the earth). The wipers are 53, 53b and 53c-1(common wire). I only have 2 speed wipers so need to work out which of 53 and 53b do which speed.

 

If you could let me know what wires are for the lights that would be ace!

 

Daz

[Guest night hawk]

Hi Daz

 

Thanks for that.

Dont know if you have the wires from the plugs, but this is how mine work.

 

I have two sets of stalks, but each one has different pin numbers (sods law)

56a (white wire) Dip beam

56b (yellow wire) Main beam

58 (gray wire) side lights

30 red live

49 black (switched)

31 earth

30-7 red live (so 30, 49, 30-7) are all live,

[Guest The Modfather]

Nice one John, I'll have a look and see what other numbers I have.

 

Cheers

 

Daz

[Guest The Modfather]

Hi Daz

 

Thanks for that.

Dont know if you have the wires from the plugs, but this is how mine work.

 

I have two sets of stalks, but each one has different pin numbers (sods law)

56a (white wire) Dip beam

56b (yellow wire) Main beam

58 (gray wire) side lights

30 red live

49 black (switched)

31 earth

30-7 red live (so 30, 49, 30-7) are all live,

 

Hi John.

 

My colours are different to yours, and I have looked through the manual and can see 56a (black on my switch) is the main beam, and 56b (red on my switch) is the dip beam. 58 (white/black on my switch) is side lights. 30 is red and is fused live. 54 has two black/green wires and is I think switched live?

31 is earth. R is right indicator and on mine has 2 black/white wires, L is left indicator. The manual shows 71 as the horn, however I don't have a 71, just an "H" and on my switch this is a white wire????

I have a 55 pin which is yellow but can only think that this may be main beam flash?

The other wire I have is pin 15 and is black, not sure what this does?

 

On the wiper side, 53 green and 53b red are wiper motor, 53c black is washer pump. Van't work out what 53c1 does, but could be a common, not sure.

 

Daz

[Longboarder]

Bk/V was used by ford as ignition live to wiper switch (54 or 53) and to the wiper motor for park cycle (lucas 4, sierra 53A). Odd that yours is on L, perhaps it should be on 54 or 53.

53C should be power out to washers. Probably internaly connected to 54 or other live terminal when the washer switch is operated. 53c1 could be a constant earth return from the washers (which would make numbering sense) or even a switched earth return from them. ie. constant or operated by the washer switch action.

You should have a wiper park cycle return to earth, a wire from wiper motor ( Lucas 2 or Sierra 31B)to a terminal (often numbered 31b or B1) connected to earth 31 internaly in the wiper switch only when the wiper switch is in the off position but not when the wiper switch is on. If so it is the earth return from the motor for the park cycle.

If your stalks have built in indicator relay you should have a 49 ignition live terminal somewhere on them and hazard function is also built in using a constant live supply. Out for indicator circuits is usualy Bk/G on R and Bk/W on L terminals.

These are just my thoughts to add to the confusion. Good luck.

 

Nigel

[Guest The Modfather]

Bk/V was used by ford as ignition live to wiper switch (54 or 53) and to the wiper motor for park cycle (lucas 4, sierra 53A). Odd that yours is on L, perhaps it should be on 54 or 53.

53C should be power out to washers. Probably internaly connected to 54 or other live terminal when the washer switch is operated. 53c1 could be a constant earth return from the washers (which would make numbering sense) or even a switched earth return from them. ie. constant or operated by the washer switch action.

You should have a wiper park cycle return to earth, a wire from wiper motor ( Lucas 2 or Sierra 31B)to a terminal (often numbered 31b or B1) connected to earth 31 internaly in the wiper switch only when the wiper switch is in the off position but not when the wiper switch is on. If so it is the earth return from the motor for the park cycle.

If your stalks have built in indicator relay you should have a 49 ignition live terminal somewhere on them and hazard function is also built in using a constant live supply. Out for indicator circuits is usualy Bk/G on R and Bk/W on L terminals.

These are just my thoughts to add to the confusion. Good luck.

 

Nigel

 

Hi Nigel.

 

Fancy taking a holiday when I need you to guide me on my wiring

I don't have any 49's at all on my stalks. 54 is two black/green wires. 31b1 is a brown/white, and 31b2 is brown/yellow, but these have been chopped by original builder. My earth appears to be 30 and brown.

The manuals that I've looked at ceratinly don't match up with all numbers and colours, which is confusing me somewhat. Someone is coming over today to help me, so fingers crossed it will be done.

Thanks for getting back to me.

 

Enjoy the surf

 

Daz

[Longboarder]

OK no 49, obviously indicator relay gets its supply internaly from an ignition live/switched live, poss black 15.

31b1 is the park return from the wiper motor, details above so now you can have a wiper that self parks.

30/brown/earth breaks the 'rules' but ford did a 15/brown/earth on later sierra stalks which is also wrong so it could be right.

Good luck.

 

Nigel

[Guest The Modfather]

Thanks Nigel. I will post my findings.

 

Daz

[Guest The Modfather]

I have partial success!

 

I have a starter motor

 

I have hazards, I have indicators (running fast as I only have 4, need to jump two wires on each for wing winkers) I have side lights, I have brake lights, I have main beam, I have 2 speed wipers and a washer! (need to sort out the park position)

 

I do not have headlights or a horn (think I may have sussed why the horn isn't working, connected wrong wire??)

 

The saga continues

 

Daz

[Guest night hawk]

well done

 

can you post all the conections and pin numbers please, want to double check mine, also i know others are in the same boat.

thanks

[Guest The Modfather]

well done

 

can you post all the conections and pin numbers please, want to double check mine, also i know others are in the same boat.

thanks

 

Hi John.

 

After a lot of research it seems that numbers and colours changed with the winters! I currently have no headlights, but the switch shows 56b as the headlights using the multi-meter. 56a is main beam. 55 is a common live (switched live from ignition), 30 is a permanent live, 31 is permanent earth. H is horn, L and R are indicators. I joined 15 and 54 together to get indicators to work, 58 is side lights. Hazards work internally picking up the 30. I would say that 54 is a switched live from ignition and 15 could be a switched earth? My indicators work correctly with 54 and 15 together and not when IGN is off, but don't when they're apart. Which is correct!

 

On the wash side, 53 is slow, 53b is fast, and 53c is wash. 53c1 is wiper motor common. See either this post or my Part 2 post as Nigel tells us which wire parks the wipers (mine is chopped but I will sort this)

 

Daz

[chris n]

Well done Daz

 

One step nearer to an engine start

[Guest The Modfather]

Well done Daz

 

One step nearer to an engine start

Getting there Chris.

 

It seems to take me ages to do wiring because I hate it! Didn't check for reversing lights because I didn't think to, but it was nice to see some lights working

 

Will be back in there tomorrow no doubt.

 

 

Daz