Possible Predicament

[Guest Mr Pid]

After purchasing my last Sierra to get a few more bits off, and keeping the V5 fords finest piece of rust was parked round the corner from my house in case i needed any more parts - which i now do :gdit: (forgot to take the servo off!) :boohoo:

 

After a couple of days it went missing, now i didnt care to much as i thought someone had done me a favour and up until now i didnt really give it another thought.

 

the thing is, you see is that is was the only car i kept the V5 from and then engine fitted to the car is from a different car. Now if i do the usual of re-registering the old car and sending off the old V5 with the changed engine number then there are a few possibilities that may occur:

 

1. the DVLA send it back re-registered and ok (highly doubtful).

2. the DVLA call me up and say that in fact the car was towed and scrapped by the council ages ago so what am i playing at?

3. they then send me a nice hefty bill to cover towing charges and scrapping etc. :boohoo:

4. if the car is a gonna they throw recieved V5 in bin thinking it was in error.

 

Either way it looks like i may be having a spot of bother when it comes to getting an age related plate.

 

It may well have (and probably was) towed by the council therefore they would love to recoup some of the money given the opportunity and i cant be bothered to fight all the dimmest people in the world trying to explain otherwise.

 

I therefore have to "lose" the retained V5 and be happy with a "Q" plate, as otherwise it looks as if i will have to buy another sierra just for the registration (oh and the servo).

 

Any bright ideas will be most welcome!

 

Cheers

 

Stu

[Guest Ianz]

Stu

I think I would put this one down to experience,

as another likely scenario is if you try to register the sierra that was taken away

you could be clobbered for road tax!!!!! and other penalties,I assume that the car was'nt registered in your name,and you had'nt declared Sorn.

 

I think to avoid Q plates you may need to bite the bullet,and buy another doner,

it will probably be the cheapest option .

Sorry about your bad luck.

Cheers Ian

[Guest Mr Pid]

Oh yeah, i forgot about road tax, that will be a couple of hundred quid down the drain :boohoo:

 

I guess your probably right, i may be lucky and find one that someone is giving away in the freeads or something - still it costs £50 to scrap them but if it gives me a decent plate then it may be worth it.

 

Naa it wasnt registered in my name, i only had it a couple of days before it vanished - even though the council are obliged to give you at least seven days warning!

 

The other thing was that if it was pinched and used for whatever, i didnt want it linked to me in any way so i kept quiet!

 

Looks like i shall start scouring the local rags.

 

Cheers Ianz

 

Stu

[Guest Ant]

The council and the DVLA are not organised enough to communicate with each other. If I were you I'd get a servo from a scrap yard, and when it comes to registration say all the bits were off the Sierra which you have the V5 for.

 

Which DVLA office do you intend using when you register? Check out what they do. Nottingham, for example, are most helpful and do the whole lot there and then. I doubt you'd have trouble. Elsewhere you might.

 

I paid to have my donor chassis taken away, but the DVLA don't know that. They do know I used major bits off it to build my 2B. When you register yours just say you arranged to have it collected by a scrappy.

 

Ant

[Guest Mr Pid]

Ahh right i get you!

 

If i re-register the car with the corresponding engine number and leave it at that for when i get the car registered after SVA then so long as dum doesnt get in touch with dummer and put two and two together to get six then i should be ok.

 

I suppose that if they do cotton on, then i can say that as i have proof that in fact the sierra was chopped to pieces and taken away with photographic evidence, i will just have to say that they have their wires crossed or their admin messed up somewhere.

 

Either way it is not a big issue as neither car is oging to be back on the road again so its not like i am going to have a car that is registered twice.

 

I guess i have a better chance of proving my case anyhow and seeing how useless the council are in court then i shouldnt have a problem.

 

The only thing i will have to worry about is the SORN dec. I know when i scrapped the others the V5's wold have been sent off declaring this. As this one wasnt, the DVLA will think that it has not been scrapped and seeing as i didnt send off a SORN then does that mean they will clobber me for road tax? Even though the Hood in effect has assumed the identity of the sierra and never been on the road does this need a SORN? As far as i can see the car does not come into existance until it is registered so how can you declare a car which doesnt exist? With regard to the old sierra the Road Traffic Act states as being a mechanically propelled vehicle and seeing as the engine is in the Hood along with running gear i guess it falls out of this catagory. (bit of a loop hole i guess).

 

Talk about messy!

 

I shall let you know how i get on.

 

Stu

[Guest Ant]

I'd declare sorn for anything which you have a v5 for with your name on it. The named person on the v5 is assumed responsible these days.

 

How far are you from SVA'ing? Presumably you don't want this lot hanging around for too long.

 

Ant

[Guest Mr Pid]

This is the thing, it is still registered to the old keeper so when i register it to myself along with the engine number change then i shall declare it SORN.

 

I am pretty near to SVA, just a couple of little minor things to put back together, but wanted to get this sorted to ease the registration process when it finally has its MAC and on the road.

 

Cheers all.

 

Stu

[stevedohc2b]

Hi stu I have just recived a road tax renewal form for my donor after the hood being on the road since Oct and giving the log book to the dvla for the build up inspection

so if the local dvla and head office do not talk. I think you are safe my engine did not match log book and i still got an age related plate as you only need 3 major items IE rear axel, front hubs ,diff, gear box, all count my donor had abs the hood dos not so getting a servo from a scrap yard will be ok.

 

Good luck

Stephen Altwasser

[Guest nelly]

I declared SORN on my donor last September only to receive a letter from Mr DVLA just after Christmas asking why I hadn't paid any tax or declared SORN and demanding that I pay a £25 'out of court settlement' within seven days, which would double after the next seven days then go up by something like £60 per day thereafter until I coughed up.

 

I was a touch 'upset' by this slur on my character, seeing as I hadn't actually done anything wrong!

 

I rang my local office (Brighton) and they were actually very helpful. They believed me about sending the form (the only proof I had was in my build diary!) and said all I had to do was declare SORN on the appropriate form again and they would waive the fine.

 

I did what they said and a few days later received a nice letter saying that no further action would be taken.

 

The moral being that the DVLA seem to be fairly understanding over situations where they haven't received the declaration - it's worth speaking to them. Good luck,

 

nelly

[Guest V8K]

( Naa it wasnt registered in my name, i only had it a couple of days before it vanished - even though the council are obliged to give you at least seven days warning!)

 

if your as lucky as iwas once with an mg the strange men with hi-abs fitted to the back of big lorries probly took it to weigh it in for scrap if so the dvla wont even know its gone and sending for a new log book shouldnt be a problem

[Longboarder]

Any chance the registered owner will turn up with a fine from DVLA in one hand threatening GBH if you don't pay it for him. I seem to remember someone feeling legitimately aggrieved with a 'mate' who stuck him with a fine by leaving his name on car docs and not taxing it.

 

Nigel

[Guest Mr Pid]

A stroke of luck finally arrived,

 

After a quick call to a man in the know who gets all sorts of stuff resulted in a call about five minutes later saying that he had the V5 for an old Cortina which had been chopped up by his dad about 20 yrs ago for another kit which got abandoned!

 

Its still registered to him and as it uses pretty much all the same running gear as the sierra its just a simple case of me re-registering it for the 2B, and best of all being a 1972 car it will the tax exempt variety!!

 

Could this be the light at the end of the tunnel?!?

 

Stu

[Guest Ianz]

Stu

 

Sorry to put a dampener on things,but will you be using enough

of the Cortina parts to satisfy the built up inspection??????

Otherwise you will still end up with a Q plate

 

Cheers Ian

[Guest Mr Pid]

I have had a look at the kit which the car was used for (an e-type jag) and all the bits i have seen are exactly the same as the bits i have used from the sierra.

 

My mates dad basically agreed that the sierra was just a face lifted cortina which used the same running gear and engine with a different body shell.

 

The only real re-vamp the sierra got was when they turned it into a mondeo which is obviously completely different.

 

If he and i cannot tell the difference between the parts (which technically are the same) and we have been detroying these cars by the truck load in the last couple of years, then i doubt that a gimp from the local DVLA is going to spot anything (touch wood).

 

My mate who works for ford says that alot of people buy sierra parts for their cortina's cos these days they simply can get hold of the stuff and its pretty much the same anyway.

 

A bit like when i had my old escort cossy alot of the lighting stuff is old stock from the Mk1 sierras and about the 10th of the price, same as volkswagon engine parts are the same as the cosworth bits, and again cheap as chips from VW rather than ford.

 

Ill speak to you a bit later Ian about the built up inspection as i remember you saying about but still not 100% whats involved. The DVLA web*bleep*e is as useless as the staff manning the local office.

 

Cheers

 

 

Stu

[Guest TerryBarry]

It might hinge on the person doing the built up inspection.

If the Cortina is Mk3 or later - it would originally had a Pinto engine and type 9 gearbox.

The major differences would be the rear axle ( Cortina is live axle) and the front hubs, brakes and swivels.

I hope you get away with it

Terry