Zetec & Type 9

[Guest Alan_builder]

Yes I mean the fly wheel, clutch plate, pressure plate and clutch slave cylinder.

 

These are my observations.

The 1.6 / 1.8 fly wheel is lighter than the 2.0 especially the dual mass one, so logic says fit the 1.8.

As the fixing pattern is the same, zetec / type 9 gearboxs, there is enough diameter for the Zetec fly wheel in the type 9 bell housing.

The zetec clutch is 220mm while the pinto is 210. So the zetec should be better.

I think the zetec and pinto clutches both have 23 splines on the same diameter drive shaft.

 

Questions

Why do the web pages say to drill the zetec flywheel to fit the type 9 clutch and pressure plate?

Do you fit the Transit clutch slave cylinder?

Or will any zetec clutch slave cylinder do for the type 9 box?

Is there a length problem within the type 9 bell housing?

Do you have to pack out the clutch slave cylinder mounting to fit into the bell housing with any combinations of clutch plates and pressure plates?

 

 

I do problems and my

[Shaft]

Yes I mean the fly wheel, clutch plate, pressure plate and clutch slave cylinder.

 

These are my observations.

The 1.6 / 1.8 fly wheel is lighter than the 2.0 especially the dual mass one, so logic says fit the 1.8.

As the fixing pattern is the same, zetec / type 9 gearboxs, there is enough diameter for the Zetec fly wheel in the type 9 bell housing.

The zetec clutch is 220mm while the pinto is 210. So the zetec should be better.

I think the zetec and pinto clutches both have 23 splines on the same diameter drive shaft.

 

Questions

Why do the web pages say to drill the zetec flywheel to fit the type 9 clutch and pressure plate?

Do you fit the Transit clutch slave cylinder?

Or will and zetec clutch slave cylinder do for the type 9 box?

Is there a length problem within the type 9 bell housing?

Do you have to pack out the clutch slave cylinder mounting to fit into the bell housing with any combinations of clutch plates and pressure plates?

 

 

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Hi,

 

You answered your own question with regard to drilling and tapping the flywheel. They are different diameters, so the PCD of the location dowels and fixing bolts will be differnet.

Sorry, havn't a clue with the rest of your question.

 

HTH,

 

Nick.

[Guest Alan_builder]

Hi,

 

You answered your own question with regard to drilling and tapping the flywheel. They are different diameters, so the PCD of the location dowels and fixing bolts will be differnet.

Sorry, havn't a clue with the rest of your question.

 

HTH,

 

Nick.

 

Hi Nick,

 

I want to know why not use the zetec clutch and pressure plate.

[Guest qwerty_100]

Hi Nick,

 

I want to know why not use the zetec clutch and pressure plate.

Hi Allen

I have a 2.0ltr zetec engine with a 1.8 flywheel and a mondeo cover and plate with I think it is a cct133 release bearing. Got my information on here as well on http://www.number69.net/stylus/zetec_resources.htm if I remeber they also give you all the clutch options and some part numbers.Kev

[Guest doddy]

i think the only time you need to mod the flywheel for the pinto clutch is if you have more then 200bhp as it wiill handle it better if you just have a 170 bhp like most zetecs with throtle bodies then the zetec clutch is fine

the pinto clutch may be smaller but has stronger springs to stop it slippiing i believe

 

and you dont use the zetec clutch slave cylinder you use the cortina one ct133 if you are using the 1.8 clutch

[Longboarder]

Why do the web pages say to drill the zetec flywheel to fit the type 9 clutch and pressure plate?

As you say the 1.8 flywheel is lighter than the 2 L. The 1.8 mondeo zetec clutch diaphragm if not as strong as the pinto one and is less deep (the fingers don't stick out so far from the flywheel). If you use the mondeo clutch (Not the 1.8 zetec escort one) you may get clutch slip if your engine is good and the clutch not perfect. Its marginal sometimes. It was on mine so I eventually changed to pinto clutch.

 

Is there a length problem within the type 9 bell housing?

The thin pressure plate is also why you need the thicker release bearing CCT133. With the pinto clutch you use the standard pinto bearing CCT132. Spacing any hydraulic cylinder will depend on this thickness to get the rest position of the release bearing in the right place.

 

Nigel

 

ps. All mondeos use mtx75 box and all their clutches thus use 23 spline driven plate. Most escorts use the IB5 box and their clutches thus have 20 splines. Make life easy and think mondeo zetec clutch.

[Guest Alan_builder]

Thanks Nigel

 

- The 1.8 mondeo zetec clutch diaphragm is not as strong as the pinto one and is less deep (the fingers don't stick out so far from the flywheel).

Ok weak and short so need the extra thick release bearing. Not a good option!

 

 

If you use the mondeo clutch - - It was on mine so I eventually changed to pinto clutch.

No one has said about fitting Modeo 2.0L clutch plate and diaphram to a 1.8L flywheel? I hoped it would bolt on as is and be at least as good as the pinto.

 

The thin pressure plate is also why you need the thicker release bearing CCT133. With the pinto clutch you use the standard pinto bearing CCT132. Spacing any hydraulic cylinder will depend on this thickness to get the rest position of the release bearing in the right place.

 

Nigel

 

There is one advantage of the pinto clutch plate and clutch diaphragm, as they are smaller in diameter they will have a smaller flywheel effect!

 

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[Guest doddy]

the 2.0 clutch will not fit the 1.8 flywheel as the 2.0 is bigger

[Guest Alan_builder]

the 2.0 clutch will not fit the 1.8 flywheel as the 2.0 is bigger

 

Thanks doddy,

 

I presumed or heard that the 1.8L & 2.0L were both 220mm diameter flywheels and presumed the cover plates would be the same size for each.

 

So it now looks like the optimum options are:-

1.8L zetec Mondero flywheel

and

1.8L CVH Sierra friction plate and cover plate

or

2.0L Pinto Sierra friction plate and cover plate

 

Both use the short release bearing.

 

Any alternatives for a lightish flywheel and reliable clutch?

[Snapperpaul]

Once you have decided upon and tried out your clutch combination, uprated clutches are available from the likes of Burton performance for all the Ford engines to haqndle any torque you can throw at them.

[johnlrichardson]

Do you have to use a hydraulic clutch Thought a cable would be a lot less trouble

 

jon

[Guest Alan_builder]

Do you have to use a hydraulic clutch Thought a cable would be a lot less trouble

 

jon

 

Hi Jon

 

Just has 3, yes 3 clutch quadrants / pawls fail (see posting), so a hydraulic link sounds good. No you don't have to have a hydraulic clutch. Now I think I have sorted the quadrant / dog or pawl the extra cost may not be warranted.

 

I did see if you used the 2L Mondeo clutch complete the slave cylinder would be good for the type 9. As yet nobody here has confirmed or other wise this information. I don't like buying bits only later to find out they are wrong.

 

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[Longboarder]

Can't see why you couldn't use the mondeo hydraulic cylinder release bearing. May require machining of the centre fitting that covers the bearing and base of the first motion shaft and probably a spacer so it sits in the correct position and can be mounted but do-able. Fit a different pedal box. Bit of fettling.

Why would you is a different thread. KISS rings a bell .

 

Nigel

[Knock-on]

I did see if you used the 2L Mondeo clutch complete the slave cylinder would be good for the type 9. As yet nobody here has confirmed or other wise this information.

 

I may be wrong mate (Yeah, I know. Never happened before has it ) but I am using the 2.0 Mondeo clutch as is and mating up to a type 9 box with new spigot bearing and modified arm. Sticking with standard Flywheel but lightening a bit first. Also using the Zero pedal set to make some room.

 

Can't see why this wont work and by lightening the Flywheel, it saves all the other buggering about and guess work?

 

When are you looking to get this in because mine is going in next month and I can confirm if you want or pop over and have a butchers.

[Guest carl leonard]

I may be wrong mate (Yeah, I know. Never happened before has it ) but I am using the 2.0 Mondeo clutch as is and mating up to a type 9 box with new spigot bearing and modified arm. Sticking with standard Flywheel but lightening a bit first. Also using the Zero pedal set to make some room.

 

Can't see why this wont work and by lightening the Flywheel, it saves all the other buggering about and guess work?

 

When are you looking to get this in because mine is going in next month and I can confirm if you want or pop over and have a butchers.

 

Contact Tiger racing and ask how much a lightened flywheel would be?

When I converted to a Zetec I purchased the FW/Ring and Spigott bearing which I think was £70. This may have changed over the last 6 years.

 

You will notice a certainly notice a difference.

 

Carl.