Engine removal

[rory Cosgrove]

Hi 

I'm looking at taking the engine out of my S3A monocoque, the gearbox and propshaft connection look to be boxed in completely, I'm woundering if anyone had managed to remove the engine by disconnecting it from the Bell housing and sliding it forward, its a pinto engine and a type 9 gearbox. As far as I can tell to remove the gearbox it will involve cutting welds on the stainless steel plate around it. Anyhelp much appreciated.

[IanS]

It is possible to remove the engine and gearbox together.

The nose cone and radiator will have to be removed to do this.

After disconnecting gear lever, speedo drive, reverse light switch electrical connection, clutch cable disconnected and gear box rear mounting the gear box is free.

The engine needs all electical connections disconnected, fuel pipes removed, exhause manifold removed and heater pipes removed.

The engine mounts can then be unbolted and with the engine suspended from a suitable crane/hoist it can be lifted clear of the mounts and pulled forward to release the prop shaft, it will result in a bang as the prop shaft drops, tilting the gearbox down it is possible to move the assembly forward and up.

This will most probably result in a large loss of oil out of the rear of the gearbox.

Otherwise the engine and gearbox can be split in the car by supporting the bell housing on a jack and pulling the engine forward to disenguage the gearbox input shaft befor lifting the engine out on its own.

The gearbox can then be removed level without spilling oil.

Refitting the gearbox I have disconnected the porpshaft and pulled it forward in the transmission tunnel far enough to easily push the shaft into the gear box before pushing the gearbox back onto its rear mounting and supporting the bell housing at a height to allow the engine to be wiggled onto the input shaft and the bell housing bolted back up.

Then reconnect everything.

Good look.

[rory Cosgrove]

Hi Ian 

Thank you for your help, I think I'm going try disconnecting the engine from the Bell housing with this supported by the jack and then slide the engine forward once all other connections are removed. 

Rory 

[rory Cosgrove]

Hi, I've stripped the engine components down and are wanting to lift the engine out but there not eyelets to lift from, I've ordered a set and attched the photo does anyone know were they bolt onto ? 

Many thanks 

Rory 

[Foz]

They look like the ones I've used before which bolt onto the inlet and exhaust manifold studs, (manifolds off the engine) one at the front and one at the back.  I can't remember which way round but the ones I had only fitted in one place so you couldn't get it wrong.

Steve

[LeicJim3a]

Rory just curious did the engine come out easy enough unbolting from gearbox ?was it easy enough to get to all the bell housing bolts ?  I have a slight crank shaft oil seal leak (2.0 pinto in a 3a Monocoque)plus other jobs I want to do and plan on lifting engine out in the winter but will struggle to get under it in my garage at home so hoping I can just take engine out and leave gearbox in situ ?? 

[HAWKNORTH]

I did engine and gearbox together. 3a like yours. Lots of juggling but no cutting. 

[rory Cosgrove]

Hi there yes it was relatively easy in the end, I removed as many things of the block as possible to give me abit more room, then the engine came away from the Bell housing. All the bolts were accessible with a socket and spanner from above making it quite simple to undo. I then left the bellhosuing/geatbox in supported with a stand. Let me know if you want to onow anything else and I'll try my best to help

 

I'm about to try and sart an engine rebuild as the piston rings have shattred. 

[rory Cosgrove]

3 hours ago, LeicJim3a said:

Rory just curious did the engine come out easy enough unbolting from gearbox ?was it easy enough to get to all the bell housing bolts ?  I have a slight crank shaft oil seal leak (2.0 pinto in a 3a Monocoque)plus other jobs I want to do and plan on lifting engine out in the winter but will struggle to get under it in my garage at home so hoping I can just take engine out and leave gearbox in situ ?? 

Hi there yes it was relatively easy in the end, I removed as many things of the block as possible to give me abit more room, then the engine came away from the Bell housing. All the bolts were accessible with a socket and spanner from above making it quite simple to undo. I then left the bellhosuing/geatbox in supported with a stand. Let me know if you want to onow anything else and I'll try my best to help

 

I'm about to try and sart an engine rebuild as the piston rings have shattred. 

Edited August 18, 2023 by rory Cosgrove
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[rory Cosgrove]

I've been looking g to get my hands on a build mannual for the engine I've taken out I've found the code etched into the flat plate behind the alternator. This reads

LP16995- I belive this means it's a 1990 engine and was told it's from a sierra- would this be the mannual to buy ? 

[Tickover]

25 minutes ago, rory Cosgrove said:

I've been looking g to get my hands on a build mannual for the engine I've taken out I've found the code etched into the flat plate behind the alternator. This reads

LP16995- I belive this means it's a 1990 engine and was told it's from a sierra- would this be the mannual to buy ? 

I bought a sierra Haynes manual off eBay that covered 1982-1992. Cost me £5.50 Inc shipping 

[IanS]

Be aware that there are many versions of the haynes sierra manual. They all have the same ISBN.

I have one for model years 82 & 83. It goes into some detail about stripping and rebuilding pinto engines and stripping and rebuilding 4 & 5 speed gearboxes.

I also have one covering 82 to 93 which tells you not to strip the engine or gearbox but to take them to a specialist.

Haynes manuals have gone a long way down hill in the last 40 years.

[Foz]

I've also got a Haynes manual for the Sierra 82-93 - Haynes No. 0903 printed 1999 - which gives quite a bit of detailed information on stripping & rebuilding the pinto engine but nothing useful on the gearboxes, although it does cover the CVH engine (not that you need that).

As IanS says, earlier print dates are worth looking for as they should give you more info. 

Like Tickover, I also got mine off eBay for only a few quid.

Steve

[Sparepart]

The letters LP on the engine serial number indicates that the block was manufactured August 1990. The link below, is to an online copy some of the Haynes Manual, some chapters are missing. The Chapter on the Pinto (SOHC) engines is present, it does cover a lot of engine rebuild and specifications of parts etc however it's not a detailed workshop manual. It is more like a guide in places.

https://www.leschroniquesdegoliath.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Ford-Sierra-Service-And-Repair-Manual-GB.pdf