Short memories here, Steve , I put up for the commitee a while back (my opinion being if you ain't willing to help then don't complain if it ain,t to your liking) didn't even get a reply, but like GDC have keep quite & just enjoyed the valuable info given on this forum. More open-ness is wecome & the club working for the members would be great, which is why I try to raise "difficult" issues by P.M rather than on here; the prop-shaft question is one such case which the commitee should address for our benifit & safety. We must all realise that things can't be right for all the members all the time but I too have felt a them & us attitude at shows & at times on here,best wishes to all,hope this rant helps to produce some clearer air in the future,regards Bob.