2B To Zero

[tractor]

had a chat with Richard at gbs today about using my 2b as a donor for zero he reckons no iva required cos you can do it under the restoration clause wot do peps think

[Guest Ian & Carole]

Grey area this one, lots will say it's OK some will say it's "ringing"

 

It is perfectly legal to re-shell a crashed car "like for like" did quite a few Fords when I was still mechanic ing.

 

The V5 for our hood says Robin Hood 2B as does the MOT so to make it a GBS Zero might be interesting.

[tractor]

no idea just going on wot Richard said at moment cos they made the 2b sort of so you can up graid to there chassis and call it restoration

[tractor]

its only interesting when you try to sell it Ian I will be buried in mine

Edited December 13, 2014 by tractor

[Guest chrispine]

Tractor, you may be right, there was a bit in CKC a while ago where an original Lotus 7 was fully restored, if I remember rightly it had a new body and chassis etc etc to the point where the only original parts were quite minor, and possibly the original fuel tank, Oh, and of course the number plates and VIN, no mention of IVA. Worth looking into, like most of us I've spent some money and a lot of time getting my car how I want it, to be able to upgrade body and chassis in the future without IVA would be something I'd be interested in.

[Guest alfaGTA]

It may fall under a clause with DVLA and you may keep the car til you go in your grave, but what happens if you have a major accident and the insurance lawyers start digging? Will Richard be snuggling up to bubba or you? What parts are transferable from 2b to zero?

 

Do the right thing, sell the 2b and buy a mx5 to strip and build a roadrunner sr2

[speedtripledan]

If the chassis were the same or similar then maybe. But they are total different so would be a ringer...... no ifs no buts no clauses.

Don't forget richard is a salesman he won't defend you in court he will deny the conservation ever occurred. See if gbs will put that statement in writing?

Just my opinion, I personally wouldn't do it.

Edited December 13, 2014 by DanE

[Guest Ian & Carole]

If you really want what the Zero offers over your 2b then probably the best option, and the way I would go, would be to break the 2b into the Zero and IVA it.

 

Weigh in the 2b chassis and return the V5c to DVLA as scrapped.

 

This way your new car has all the proven bits and bobs you have developed in the 2b, car is built for a fraction of a new build and is street legal.

 

OK it will end up on a "Q"

 

End of the world.........?????????? not really.

 

If you could sell off bits from the 2b you don't use then that would off set the cost of the IVA.

[blue]

Hi all.

Yes I have also had this chat with Richard.

I too am very interested if it can be done but it seems a bit mk1 escort into a mk6 escort and trying to convince the dvla that the chassis was rotten and this is the escort body ford now sell if you know what I mean !

Although I know that GBS have done this conversion themselves with a customers S7 into zero. - same plates same vin etc.

I'm sure Richard and GBS would not have done this if there was come backs on GBS ringing cars.

But an interesting subject. !!!!

[richyb66]

had a chat with Richard at gbs today about using my 2b as a donor for zero he reckons no iva required cos you can do it under the restoration clause wot do peps think

 

To not need an IVA, it would need to retain it's current registration and there's several possible ways to achieve this as far as the DVLA are concerned. These are the most likely 5:

 

REBUILT VEHICLE.

 

Retain 2 major components from Suspension (front and rear), steering, axles (both), transmission, engine

Retain original unmodified chassis or monocoque.

 

So not possible by this method https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/rebuilt-vehicles

 

KIT BUILT

 

As current kits, but where all new components are used (and can be proved) - if this can't be proved then it's a Q plate.

 

Not possible by this method either https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/kitbuilt-vehicles

 

KIT CONVERTED

 

This is what we'd call a kit based on a donor. If the 2B was the donor and the Zero was the new kit, it'd need an IVA that same as it would have originally. https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/kitconverted-vehicles

 

RADICALLY ALTERED

 

Something altered from original spec, but not a kit. Keeping the current reg is based on a points system - you need 8 points but 5 of these MUST come from an original or new unmodified chassis or bodyshell. There's no mention whether the chassis needs to be identical to the original so this is a grey area but given that they assign over 50% of the required points to the chassis, I would think that they would expect to see a like for like replacement. (Like a new Heritage body used for an MGB). https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/radically-altered-vehicles

 

RECONSTRUCTED CLASSIC

 

Built from genuine period components, all over 25 years old. As the chassis is new, this wouldn't work either. https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/reconstructed-classic-vehicles

 

So Radically Altered looks the most likely but I personally doubt whether a new chassis would qualify either to the letter or spirit of the regulations. Obviously if GBS know for sure that this method can be made to work in every case and can provide more information then I'd be very interested to see it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

would be classed as a kit conversion. For this you'd need to retain 2 major components (simple enough) as well as the original unmodified chassis or monocoque (which you'd be replacing).

 

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/kitconverted-vehicles

[Guest 2b cruising]

All very interesting and I agree totally with richy666. Unless of course GBS can prove beyond any doubt.

This might be a cheap method of upgrading/modernising. However, it would most probably be throwing away a lot of money plus your current car.

[fry61]

If you were buying the car ( with-out knowing above ) that looked like a square tube GBS Zero & the log book stated it was a round tube 2B ( or mono) would you proceed to hand over several thousand pounds or walk away & look for a kit else-where?

 

Fixing an incomplete or damaged car is a lot easier than trying to fix the DVLA paperwork.

[Andi]

Ok, so this has legally been done when some 2b`s have had a nasty crash etc????

 

Watch out for that nasty falling sledge hammer in your garage Chris

 

Andi

[speedtripledan]

Even with all this considered it still won't be cheap to do, all your saving is the cost of iva etc. Probally cheaper to buy a 2nd hand zero for 6k.

[keith kelly]

As abouve wait for a zero to come up and do what andi and I did. Besides you will never get the v6 in the zero.